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Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **8/10/11 3:09 pm**

I think no matter what "given" means, it would be interesting if the Practical Commitments followed suit and said "Christians are not to be given to much wine." Wouldn't that be more Biblical?

C. Chris Moody

thanks wallace

Belt Jerker Posts: 511 **8/10/11 3:11 pm**

Thanks for the greek lesson Dr. Wallace. That is actually very good

Quiet Wyatt

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **8/10/11 3:11 pm**

By the way, I don't drink alcohol at all, except for a dose of Nyquil very rarely.

Quiet Wyatt

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **8/10/11 3:12 pm**

I'm thinking the translators are pretty much experts in biblical Greek.

KevinWallace

Eddie

Friendly Face Posts: 441 **8/10/11 3:13 pm**

I see your point... But I think given our propensities to gravitate toward different opinions it would place us back in the precarious situation of making an interpretation of the texts.

By the way when I grow up I want to run beside you in a marathon or triathlon or something
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Re: well Mark

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5431 **8/10/11 3:16 pm**

KevinWallace

Quiet Wyatt

KevinWallace · Friendly Face Posts: 441 **8/10/11 3:16 pm**

Not me... many of those translations have editors and compilers that are from experts. In fact many of the translations you cited are paraphrases rather than word for word translation. And yes it does matter. But to be clear, I am not a greek expert. I just gave you the greek dictionary entry for the word "given".
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Eddie Robbins

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **8/10/11 3:17 pm**

Just keeping the debate alive....as if it needed it. Smile

Let's run!! Sponsor a 5k or a 10k as a fundraiser and I'll come up.

Quiet Wyatt

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **8/10/11 3:18 pm**

Even going with just the King Jimmy translation, anyone who is relatively acquainted with the English language knows what "given to" means. It means a strong tendency, a strong habit, an addiction. Such as, I am given to posting on Actcelerate.

KevinWallace

Quite Wyatt

Friendly Face Posts: 441 **8/10/11 3:21 pm**

Ok we will agree to disagree.
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Re: well Mark

Acts-celerater Posts: 544 **8/10/11 3:36 pm**

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1Corinthians 11:22

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1441 **8/10/11 3:59 pm**

1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
1Co 11:21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
1Co 11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

These verses of Scripture have been used to suggest that Paul endorsed drinking in one's own house. If that is true, he also endorsed gluttony. As a matter of fact, the passage has to do with the sacriligious celebration of the Lord's Supper, and the gluttonous conduct of the rich, who ate and drank and arrogantly insulted the poor among them who had nothing to eat. "Hungry poor meeting intoxicated rich, at what was supposed to be a supper of the Lord" (Robertson & Plummer) As a result of this conduct which was condemned by Paul, there came about a separation of the fellowship meal from the celebration of the Lord's Supper.
There is nothing in this passage to suggest that Paul condoned drinking or drunkenness. He certainly was not endorsing gluttony.
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Social Drinking

Friendly Face Posts: 484 **8/10/11 4:00 pm**

I abstain from Social Drinking and I believe in IE as the first outward audiable evidence of the HS Baptism! I would like for someone to answer this question Do we really believe that Jesus turned the water in to 21 Century Modern Day Wine regarless of the fact the Percument process was completely different than what we have today and most Scholars will tell u it was after the water hit the grape it was basically less than one percent wine compared to the weakest cough syrup we have today! I think the context of that scripture is simple as Ephesians says powerprasing Don't be drunk with wine which is sin but rather be intoxicated by the Spirit! Also, there are several different Scholars that give two to three different Greek Words for the text and basically it translates Grape! However, this is my opinion and the conviction God has given me and I don't have enough time to state the practical and scriptual reasons in this post of why I dont drink! However, I have no desire to change but love people unconditional!

Eddie Robbins

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **8/10/11 4:07 pm**

A question back at you: Was it possible to get drunk from the wine that Jesus created? If not, how was it different than the wine that they were not supposed to get drunk on? AND, if there is a difference, why didn't the Bible distinguish between the two so that it was clear to the reader? That sure would have been nice. Jesus turned the water into grape juice. Ahhh!!!

Phillip Johnson

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Restorationman

Social Drinking

Friendly Face Posts: 484 **8/10/11 4:19 pm**

Some Scholars say the word used there dealt with Taste and as in the Words of Dr. Ray H Hughes My Body is not a Tavern but aTemple! It's hard for me in my opinon to believe that Jesust wouold have broken the Law of Temperance and approved of a drunken party! Also, another thougt by some Thelogians is Powerprasing the Leviticus Scripture that says The life of the Flesh was in the Blood! However, if this wine was defiled by the percurement process the bacteria in it would have tainted his Blood and hindered the the remission of Sins! Therefore, some Scholars feel thats why the it was about taste because when they had well drunk and the joy of the taste could not be compared to anything of that day! Also, the COG teaches to abstain and to me thats the safest way for me because when I deal with a Acholic who could die and he or she gets delivered and why would I want to say now let go get a drink only in moderation! This is just my conviction and a Covenant I made with God and the Church!

Restorationman

Social Drinking

Friendly Face Posts: 484 **8/10/11 4:22 pm**

Eddie, I didnt say it wasn't fermented my observation was the pecurement process was very different than what we have today! Again, and opinion and balance and wisdom for me is to Abstain!

Nature Boy Florida

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **8/10/11 4:25 pm**

Ray Hughes also said - all the water you can pray over and turn into wine - have your fill of it. Twisted Evil

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Restorationman

Social Drinking

Friendly Face Posts: 484 **8/10/11 4:28 pm**

Please excuse my Typos and accidentlly mispelled word lol Sorry